Neutron Capture in Carbon-Dated Dinosaur Bones? That’s Way Too Awkward

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hug feels awkward between two T-Rex friends

Awkward Explanation for Carbon-14 Dated Dinosaurs

Some scientists are feeling awkward trying to get their hands around a T-Rex type dinosaur that appears much younger than it “should be.” The Allosaurus remains in question were excavated in 1989 in Colorado. This type of large theropod dinosaur was supposed to have lived 150-155 million years ago, according to popular theory, during the late Jurassic period. The carbon dating of this monster, however, has those scientists running for cover, trying to find an explanation. One suggestion is neutron capture.

That might look plausible, if it were just one dinosaur buried near some uranium deposit. But carbon-14 dating has been done on quite a few dinosaur fossils excavated in North America, with EVERY piece of EVERY dinosaur bone found to have that radioactive isotope of carbon. It is practically impossible that every one of those fossils (excavated from Alaska, Colorado, Texas, and Montana) just happened to be buried next to uranium. Other problems also eliminate the neutron-capture speculation: See Carbon-14 and Dinosaur Bones. Let’s look at another angle to this young-dinosaur “problem.”

Indoctrination: Dinosaurs Died out “Millions of Years ago”—Really?

Consider these words from the nonfiction book Searching for Ropens and Finding God (fourth edition, available from online book sellers):

Four years before George Washington was elected to his first term in the United States, Cosimo Collini made the first pterosaur-fossil examination in Europe. Nobody knew anything about radiometric dating in 1784, not even Benjamin Franklin, but Mr. Collini recognized something special about this creature.

What Collini did not recognize was this this general kind of flying creature might not be extinct. He had no personal experience with any living animal like it, and so he just assumed the fossil was of a type of animal that was completely extinct.

In other words, he jumped to a general conclusion about ALL SPECIES of that general kind of animal. If he had done even a little research into reports of flying dragons, he may have come to a different conclusion about the universal extinction of pterosaurs, but maybe that would have appeared too unscientific, even back then. What educated person would use the ancient word dragon?

That also applies to dinosaur discoveries in the 19th century. Almost everybody just assumed they were finding fossils from very ancient kinds of creatures. That assumption has continued into recent decades, BEFORE any carbon-14 testing was done on dinosaur bones. It’s now time for us to take a closer look, for the widespread belief in ancient dinosaur extinctions comes from Western indoctrination.

Conclusion

Forget about groundless speculation about neutron capture creating carbon-14 isotopes in dinosaur bones across North America. It’s time we asked biologists in museums and in universities to submit dinosaur and pterosaur fossils for carbon-14 radiometric testing. Let us be brave with whatever truth we discover.

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Radiocarbon conference presentation censored

A team of researchers gave a presentation at the 2012 Western Pacific Geophysics Meeting in Singapore . . . they gave 14C [carbon-14] dating results from many bone samples from eight dinosaur specimens.

Radiometric Dating of Recent Dinosaur Bones—Censored

After the conference, those two [chairpersons] gave no warning that everything by that group would be removed from the official website, leaving no trace that the presentation had ever taken place

Scientific Testing of Dinosaur Bones—Carbon-14 Methods

A lecture was given in a geology conference in Singapore, in 2012, with carbon-14 dating of dinosaur fossils the subject. All the bones were found to have that isotope of carbon, a shocking finding, but there it is . . .

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Ropen Seen by Brian Hennessy

Brian Hennessy - He travels between China and Australia
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Q & A with Jonathan Whitcomb

Regarding the 1971 sighting on an island in eastern New Guinea

Question #1: Did Brian Hennessy see a living pterosaur on Bougainville Island?

Answer: Yes he did, probably a Rhamphorhynchoid pterosaur, as best as we can tell, without actually having the animal captured and in our hands.

Question #2: Was it related to the ropen, the apparent bioluminescent flying creature on Umboi Island?

Answer: Yes, in fact it’s quite likely even the same species.

Question #3: Why has this animal not yet been acknowledged by Western science?

Answer: As of early 2015, no living ropen or any recovered body seems to have come into the possession of any biologist. Part of the challenge is that this flying creature is mostly nocturnal, difficult to observe.

Question #4: Why was Hennessy so fortunate to have seen a ropen?

Answer: It was probably the noise of the truck driving on that road that morning in 1971. The creature may have been sleeping nearby when it was startled by the truck noise, perhaps the shifting of gears, whereupon the ropen flew up into the air.

Question #5: Why could Hennessy not be sure whether or not the thing had feathers?

Answer: He said that no feathers were discerned by him but he could not be sure: It may have had feathers that he could not distinguish under the conditions of his sighting. Some birds, including the oceanic Frigate bird, do not have obvious feathers, especially when seen from some distance. Biologists know that they have feathers, of course, for they are birds. Some eyewitnesses are positive that the ropen they had observed had no feathers, but Mr. Hennessy is just not one of those eyewitnesses. Nevertheless, he observed a number of important details. These included the large size of the head and the long and rather thin tail.

Question #6: If there may have been feathers, why think it was a pterosaur?

Answer: Mr. Hennessy did not give any indication that the creature had feathers. His observation was important, and his report included the following (sent to me in an email in 2006):

The head had no ‘normal’ beak. Rather there seemed to be (and this is difficult to describe) a kind of beak that was indistinguishable from the head, and the head seemed to continue this ‘point’ at the back of the head. There was a clear line running from the ‘beak’ to the back of the head . . . where the ‘line’ continued to protrude . . .

Answer (continued): We do not expect that any one eyewitness sighting report will be close to perfect in itself, for who can expect to have both a perfect observation and a perfect memory? Some eyewitnesses in the southwest Pacific have seen a flying creature that appeared very similar or somewhat similar to Hennessy’s. Gideon Koro, for example, described a gigantic featherless long-tailed “ropen” that had a tail length that he estimated at seven meters (23 feet); he was positive that the creature had no feathers. I believe it was the same species (or a closely related species) as the ropen that was seen by Mr. Hennessy. I believe these flying creatures are Rhamphorhynchoid pterosaurs, even if no paleontologist has yet found a fossil with very similar characteristics (both a horn-like head crest and a long tail).

Hennessy travels between China and Australia

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Brian Hennessy

Brian Hennessy is a professional psychologist who  enjoys working in China. Why would he play a hoax  that could do only harm to his reputation? And why  would his description of a flying creature correlate so well with other eyewitness descriptions from the southwest Pacific?

Hodgkinson and Hennessy Sightings Compared

When two eyewitness testimonies agree on several points, the credibility of the most natural or direct interpretation of those points is strengthened. Accumulating evidence strengthens the case.

Scientific Paper on Living Pterosaurs

Most ropen sightings are of a bright but brief glow that moves approximately horizontally at about 330 ft (100 m) above ground level, often against a mountain background. . . . Of the nine American expeditions (1994–2007), six resulted in at least one sighting of the light. . . .

China – Australia Consult

Brian Hennessy is an Australian author, educator, and psychologist who has lived and worked in China for ten years. These days he divides his time between both countries.

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Mr. Whitcomb does a thorough job questioning indoctrination and the close-mindedness of the Western world. Reading so many eye-witness reports of people who have seen living pterosaurs in America was mind-opening, to say the least. Speculation is not an easy thing to address, but Whitcomb does a noteworthy job stringing together testimony and speculation in a scientific, yet personal way. The passion that Whitcomb and the pterosaur witnesses feel about these investigations make this book a great read and keep the pages turning. . . . (R. Montgomery)

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Radiometric Dating of Recent Dinosaur Bones — Censored

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How does the dating of dinosaur fossils relate to eyewitness accounts of apparent modern pterosaurs? Those two kinds of creatures have long been assumed to have lived together in the distant past of millions of years ago, at least in the teachings of modern Western societies. It now appears obvious that both kinds of animals lived together much more recently, although two supposedly scientific authorities have censored this discovery, in my opinion, preventing public viewing. Decide for yourself if this is a case of censorship.

It was two chairmen of the Western Pacific Geophysics Meeting in Singapore, a five-day conference held in August of 2012. They apparently gave no objection, during the conference, to any of the materials presented by the Paleochronology group. After the conference, those two gave no warning that everything by that group would be removed from the official website, leaving no trace that the presentation had ever taken place (except for the absence of report number five). The conference website now has the following oral presentation records:

1) Environmental Drivers on the Global Distribution of Novel Glycerol . . .

2) Reconstruction of Paleo-temperature Using Biomarker Diols in . . .

3) Carbon Caption and Storage in Rocks-perspective from . . .

4) Tracing Soil Organic Carbon in the Lower Amazon River . . .

6) Carbon Isotopic and Organic Biomarker Evidence of . . .

[and so on]

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2012 conference oral presentation censored

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Notice that oral presentation number five is missing in the above.

The two chairmen were Minhan Dai of Xiamen University (China) and Peter Swart of the University of Miami. Fortunately those two could not erase the memories of those who attended the oral presentation by the Paleochronology organization. Truth will prevail.

According to the New Geology web site:

They did not look at the data and they never spoke with the researchers.  They did not like the test results, so they censored them.

Why Censor by Deletion?

Of course we can be grateful that a dissenting scientist, in modern Western societies, is not put under house arrest for the rest of his life, like Galileo. But the Paleochronology group is in fact a group, and if they had made some serious error in their presentation, why not just point out the problem at the top and bottom of the online report? Why make it appear like nobody had even given a lecture about carbon-14 dating of dinosaur fossils?

If I am not mistaken, Galileo’s disobedience (to the pope of his time) was made public, probably with details about why he was being disciplined. But the official online report by the Paleochronology group was deleted without warning, with no official record that they had even made an oral presentation, apparently, at that conference in Singapore. No detailed reasoning was given.

One negative result of that censorship was the ignorance that can become apparent in prominent online publications, possibly with the following as an example:

Rationalwiki Page on Carbon-14 Dating

What does “Rationalwiki” say about carbon-14 dating of fossils? As of early February 5, 2015, it says little except this:

. . . “dinosaur fossils are not dated using carbon dating; dinosaurs became extinct 66 million years ago, and carbon dating only works for objects less than 50~60,000 years old.”

Perhaps censorship from the two chairmen of the 2012 conference in Singapore kept the “Rationalwiki” writer from knowing what has really been happening in scientific investigation using carbon dating of dinosaur fossils. Such dating has taken place, indeed for years. So why do we still see “millions of years?”

Is this just a differing opinion about results? No. The Rationalwiki article made a error of fact with “dinosaur fossils are not dated using carbon dating.” For years dinosaur bones have been dated with radiocarbon methods (both conventional and Accelerator Mass Spectrometry), but it is the lack of proper attention and turning away ones eyes—that has kept honest investigators from the truth.

See a bit of what a lack of censorship can reveal

The results of the C-14 dating, over a period of years, are astonishing to many who had assumed universal extinctions many millions of years ago. Here’s a tiny sample:

C14 data from newgeology.us web site

Data source (carbon-14 radiometric dating of dinosaurs): http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html

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Dating Dinosaurs With Carbon-14

The carbon-14 (14C) method of dating biological material was developed by the American physicist Willard Libby in the mid-20th century. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for that achievement. This scientific method for determining ages of specimens is also called radiocarbon dating, abbreviated RC.

An Allosaurus excavated in Colorado was 14C dated 31,360 years before present (+/- 100 years). A Triceratops found in Montana was dated as recently as 24,340 years before present (+/- 70 years).

Recent Dinosaurs

Those attending the Paleochronology  lecture  were  thrilled,  at  the  2012  Western Pacific Geophysics Meeting  in Singapore. Details were given on many carbon-14 tests that had been done on dinosaur bones over a period of years. . . . They [the fossils of those dinosaurs] were between 22,000 and 39,000 years old.

Carbon-14 Dating and Dinosaur Bones

. . . scientific team that presented at the 2012 AGU geophysical conference in Singapore, the carbon dating results . . .

Scientific Paper on Living Pterosaurs

Guessman and Woetzel prepared and administered formal interview procedures with a two-page questionnaire and a sketch page of 34 silhouettes of bats, birds, and pterosaurs . . . For future work, I recommend beginning with . . . open-format questioning to take advantage of unique opportunities with eyewitnesses (the interviewer using a foreign language) and then following up promising leads with a questionnaire and sketch page (using interpreters). [as in the Woetzel-Guessman expedition] . . .

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More on the Scientific Paper “Reports of Living Pterosaurs in the Southwest Pacific”

Scientific paper by J. D. Whitcomb, top of 1st page
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The following are brief excerpts from my scientific paper, published in the Creation Research Society Quarterly (Volume 45, Winter 2009, pages 200-212):

Most ropen sightings are of a bright but brief glow that moves approximately horizontally at about 330 ft (100 m) above ground level, often against a mountain background. . . . Of the nine American expeditions (1994–2007), six resulted in at least one sighting of the light. . . .

While both ropen lights and meteors are fast-moving flashes of lights in the sky, several characteristics distinguish them (Whitcomb, 2007). For example, Abram of Opai Village, Umboi Island, described a ropen light that flew down to a reef and stayed at or near the surface of the sea before flying back toward Mount Bel (Whitcomb interview) . . . Analysis of 2004-expedition records suggest that many suspected ropen lights move away from Mount Bel early at night but toward it late at night.

. . . Kuban (2007) suggests that rather than “ropen” being a pterosaur, it is likely a creature such as a bat. However, villagers have another term for the flying fox fruit bat—“byung” (Whitcomb, 2007). . . . one description that suggests a structure at the end of the tail . . . similar to that found on fossil Rhamphorhynchoids. Information also was obtained about what we believe is bioluminescence emitted by the creature. Both 2004 expeditions included interviews designed to avoid leading the witnesses and to elicit answers revealing sighting experience rather than interviewer bias. . . .

Guessman and Woetzel prepared and administered formal interview procedures with a two-page questionnaire and a sketch page of 34 silhouettes of bats, birds, and pterosaurs, although the formal process was not used for all eyewitnesses. My interviews were less formal, relying on opportunities that arose with each eyewitness. For future work, I recommend beginning with this open-format questioning to take advantage of unique opportunities with eyewitnesses (the interviewer using a foreign language) and then following up promising leads with a questionnaire and sketch page (using interpreters). . . .

At about the time I was interviewing Hodgkinson in 2004, I found an old Internet forum posting in which an Australian lady was trying to persuade participants in a cryptozoology forum that she had seen a giant, living creature that looked like a pterosaur. . . . The couple was walking together between two suburbs at about 10:00 p.m. when they first noticed the flying creature. As its gliding brought it closer, the couple was shocked, for it had a “lizard appearance” and a reported “size” between 30 and 50 ft (9–15 m). The lady declared, “It was definitely a living creature . . . We would not have been able to see what it was if the ground lighting had not lit its underside.” . . .

At least one species of rare nocturnal flying creature—the ropen—lives in the southwest Pacific. Fossils of long-tailed pterosaurs show features similar to those related by some eyewitnesses, especially of the ropen’s tail: a “diamond” that may be a tail-end flange and the reported motion of those tails, also similar to Rhamphorhynchoid tails. The largest ropens, probably extremely rare, may attain sizes up to 50 ft in wingspan. Those size descriptions alone, from credible eyewitnesses of three nationalities, make it unlikely that the sightings were misidentifications of birds or bats.

[The above are scattered excerpts from the scientific article written by Jonathan David Whitcomb: “Reports of Living Pterosaurs in the Southwest Pacific”]

Page 206 of "Reports of Living Pterosaurs in the Southwest Pacific"

Page 206 (top) in Volume 45 of the Creation Research Society Quarterly

This scientific paper also mentions the sighting by the eyewitness Brian Hennessy.

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Article by David Woetzel: “The Fiery Flying Serpent” (Volume 42 of CRSQ)

Over the years Biblical scholars have speculated about the nature of the creature described in the Authorized Version as “the fiery flying serpent.”  The nexus of modern archaeological discoveries, ancient historical accounts, and recent cryptozoological research provides new insights into the identification and characteristics of this creature.  Moreover interviews and personal observations from the 2004 expedition that I led to Papua New Guinea convinced me that a fiery flying serpent still survives on a remote island there.

. . . It should be noted that some commentators have held that the flying serpent is merely a snake that springs from the high branches of a tree and then glides through the air like a flying squirrel (Wiseman, 1972, pp. 108-110). These flying snakes are mentioned by the 18th century author Niebuhr as he traveled through Arabia (Niebuhr, 1792, p. 334) and are still known today through southeast Asia (Roach, 2002). Modern species are not particularly venomous, nor are they remarkably bright in coloration, so it is unclear why they would have been called “fiery” if this were the actual creature referenced. From a creationist perspective, it would seem that the pterosaur interpretation of these verses is at least as reasonable as the alternatives.

. . . The traditional interpretation of attacking venomous snakes (Edersheim, 1995, p. 133) faces another challenge. The biblical account indicates that many of the Jews died (probably many thousands). Obviously, God could miraculously do whatever He wishes, but one has a hard time envisioning the people being pursued across the wilderness by slithering poisonous snakes. Common snakes should have easily been avoided.

[The above are scattered excerpts from the scientific article (also in CRSQ) written by David Woetzel: “The Fiery Flying Serpent”]

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Scientific Papers on Living Pterosaurs

Most ropen sightings are of a bright but brief glow  that moves approximately horizontally at about 330  ft (100 m) above ground level, often against a  mountain background. Based on interviews from the  2004 expeditions (Tables I and II), an estimated  several hundred Umboi Islanders have seen this  light.

Living Pterosaurs and Paleontology

David Woetzel led the second 2004 Umboi Island expedition, with Garth Guessman and native interpreter Jacob Kepas. He had previously been on an expedition in central Africa, in a search for evidence for a living dinosaur.

Scientific Paper on Living Pterosaurs

“According to Gideon Koro, who speaks some English, a few minutes after they had arrived at the lake, ‘it came down.’ . . . When I asked about the tail length, he pondered, seeming to recall and estimate; then he said, “seven meetuh.” [seven meters . . .]

Science and Pterosaurs

The names of eyewitnesses include Mesa Augustin, Cottingham, William Gima, Brian Hennessy, Duane Hodgkinson, Jonah Jim, Mark Kau, Jacob Kepas, Gideon Koro, Wesley Koro, David Moke, Paul Nation, Jonathan Ragu, and David Woetzel.

Marfa Lights in Relation to Bioluminescence

Before we begin, be aware that James Bunnell, a retired NASA engineer, has given countless hours during eight years of his life (2001-2009) to investigating the more mysterious types of Marfa Lights, the glowing objects that cannot reasonably be explained away as car headlights or ranch lights or any other common glow at night.

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